November 3, 2014 at 11:27 pm #47891
Anyone using onyx low Voc solvent? If anyone is what’s your reviews on it?November 4, 2014 at 1:01 am #47895
I’m curios to. Haven’t herd a whole lot. Since both water and solvent can be made by the same toners. I’m curios to what shops are using more. The water or the solvent.November 4, 2014 at 3:11 am #47898
I’m using onyx and as of right now I’m using more solvent than water,some of the color matches with solvent are not as good as water.so I have to pick my battlesNovember 5, 2014 at 3:08 am #47906
Our painter uses solvent for some jambs and underhood. He puts a hardener in it so he doesnt have to clear. Matches the factory low gloss appearance pretty wellNovember 5, 2014 at 3:17 am #47907
So your painter uses onyx water on the exterior?November 5, 2014 at 3:30 am #47908
Yes. I think he may also use the solvent on small repairs sometimes. As for color match with water… its hit or miss… some dont match to chips once sprayedNovember 5, 2014 at 6:12 am #47909
I wonder why the water formulas seem to match better. Is it the way the pigment saturates into the water vs the solvent. Or are the formulas diferent from water to solvent. For example if you were to mix the same formula in water and solvent would the formula be the same from water to solvent? Other than the binders.November 5, 2014 at 7:09 pm #47910
i am told there is very little technology put into solvent these days, as water has been pretty mainstream for many years.
When i stopped using spies solvent about 8 years ago i noticed at that time any brand new colours out match’s were very hit and miss
older colours were still okay as the formulas were tried and tested.
I think you will find as times goes on getting a match in solvent will prove problematic.
also any colour decks/chips that have been supplied by your paint company if they are years old you are as well throwing them in the skip lol, paint companys are trying to move away from supplying chips as it cost many many ££/$$ to create these fans and supply to the whole industry with them, they will have us all on colour cameras in the next few years, thats how the new spies system works i believe.November 5, 2014 at 7:24 pm #47911
I just figered in a system like the BASF. We’re the toners and pigments are the same for both the water and solvent. That the matches would be simalar from water to solvent. But the binders and additives must effect the colors some.November 5, 2014 at 8:12 pm #47912
[quote=”jim” post=36376]I just figured in a system like the BASF. We’re the toners and pigments are the same for both the water and solvent. That the matches would be similar from water to solvent. But the binders and additives must effect the colors some.[/quote]
Good point !! one i brought up myself many years ago
Yes when i first started using water back in 98 i remember asking at the water demo, if a standard shade matches in solvent does that mean it will match in water, same goes for a popular variant of a colour, light shade for instance
They said yes……… well they had to didnt they or that would mean their variant fans would have to be different from water to solvent !!!!
But it was all bull, all the special shades we had sorted for certain colours were no longer applicable after the switch to water.
Though i have to admit water matches are generally better.November 5, 2014 at 9:16 pm #47913
Yes your right about the color matches,any color that has HB203 in it is out to lunch because the black seperates and the color becomes to light so I have to tint or spray it ir water.November 6, 2014 at 6:27 am #47914
I talked to the painter, he says that the solvent seems to be really thick ready for use. Also the color is a little off water to solvent even though the formula is the same other than the reducers. Must be the way the pigments lay down betseen the two.February 14, 2015 at 7:43 pm #48255
I think the solvent is much thinner than the water version, colors will be a little different from water to solvent. Different viscosity, evaporation rates and spray technique.
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