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  • #47891
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    Chris
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    Anyone using onyx low Voc solvent? If anyone is what’s your reviews on it?

    #47895
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    gunner
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    I’m curios to. Haven’t herd a whole lot. Since both water and solvent can be made by the same toners. I’m curios to what shops are using more. The water or the solvent.

    #47898
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    I’m using onyx and as of right now I’m using more solvent than water,some of the color matches with solvent are not as good as water.so I have to pick my battles

    #47906
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    Our painter uses solvent for some jambs and underhood. He puts a hardener in it so he doesnt have to clear. Matches the factory low gloss appearance pretty well

    #47907
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    Chris
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    Hello there
    So your painter uses onyx water on the exterior?

    #47908
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    Yes. I think he may also use the solvent on small repairs sometimes. As for color match with water… its hit or miss… some dont match to chips once sprayed

    #47909
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    I wonder why the water formulas seem to match better. Is it the way the pigment saturates into the water vs the solvent. Or are the formulas diferent from water to solvent. For example if you were to mix the same formula in water and solvent would the formula be the same from water to solvent? Other than the binders.

    #47910
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    i am told there is very little technology put into solvent these days, as water has been pretty mainstream for many years.

    When i stopped using spies solvent about 8 years ago i noticed at that time any brand new colours out match’s were very hit and miss
    older colours were still okay as the formulas were tried and tested.

    I think you will find as times goes on getting a match in solvent will prove problematic.

    also any colour decks/chips that have been supplied by your paint company if they are years old you are as well throwing them in the skip lol, paint companys are trying to move away from supplying chips as it cost many many ££/$$ to create these fans and supply to the whole industry with them, they will have us all on colour cameras in the next few years, thats how the new spies system works i believe.

    #47911
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    I just figered in a system like the BASF. We’re the toners and pigments are the same for both the water and solvent. That the matches would be simalar from water to solvent. But the binders and additives must effect the colors some.

    #47912
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    [quote=”jim” post=36376]I just figured in a system like the BASF. We’re the toners and pigments are the same for both the water and solvent. That the matches would be similar from water to solvent. But the binders and additives must effect the colors some.[/quote]

    Good point !! one i brought up myself many years ago

    Yes when i first started using water back in 98 i remember asking at the water demo, if a standard shade matches in solvent does that mean it will match in water, same goes for a popular variant of a colour, light shade for instance

    They said yes……… well they had to didnt they or that would mean their variant fans would have to be different from water to solvent !!!!

    But it was all bull, all the special shades we had sorted for certain colours were no longer applicable after the switch to water.

    Though i have to admit water matches are generally better.

    #47913
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    Yes your right about the color matches,any color that has HB203 in it is out to lunch because the black seperates and the color becomes to light so I have to tint or spray it ir water.

    #47914
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    I talked to the painter, he says that the solvent seems to be really thick ready for use. Also the color is a little off water to solvent even though the formula is the same other than the reducers. Must be the way the pigments lay down betseen the two.

    #48255
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    I think the solvent is much thinner than the water version, colors will be a little different from water to solvent. Different viscosity, evaporation rates and spray technique.

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