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  • #48327

    Jayson Munro
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    Looking for input on good and bad in regards to the best systems out there.We are old school at the shop,we have the sata rps cups just for waterborne but use metal pots for sealer,single stage,clear.We have a big solvent tank the we clean our guns and cans in plus a waterborne gun cleaner.So we are thinking about getting a good solvent gunwasher plus recycler(other one is close to worn out) and a disposable cup system for everything.I like the pps system with the liners and hard cup but wonder about storage,and the fan getting narrower when you are close to out of paint?How close in price are the sata and 3m and the devilbiss gunner cups look interesting.Thanks for the info….

    #48331

    big daddy
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    Hey J,
    You have the best cups already in my opinion.Wait…..I would say that’s a fact! The D cups and the 3m both are set up an act similar.Except with Sata’s guns the D cups want you to install brass fittings that press inside the fluid passage.There permanent once you do this and then you can only use the D cups with that gun. Unless they changed the D cups recently. I know you love your Sata’s J so I don’t think you want to destroy them.They work with a adapter like the 3m disposable cups do on all other guns. As far price? D cups where way cheaper than 3m or Sata.3m just a little cheaper than Sata cups. I’m getting all sizes of Sata cups for under 100 $ U.S.right around 90$ you seem to get everything cheaper so I don’t see why your not using all Sata cups now.Save material some where else. Just my opinion. I thought you guys new what it was all a boot. HA…HA.. Talk to you later man. ; )

    #48333

    Dennis Lambert
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    I haven’t used the sata cups but I prefer the dkups over the 3m ones . They have a better way of connecting their lids to their adaptor .Much more secure imo. You can get the fitting out of your sata gun with a bolt and spacer they provide and it doesn’t damage your gun. Also the outer cups are easier to clean since they don’t have a bottom. The only thing I don’t like about them is that the liners don’t stand up for temporary storage as well as the 3m. That being said I am currently using the 3m cups because I just switched jobs and work along side another painter who dosen’t do change very well.

    #48341

    big daddy
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    i guess I should post every little detail before someone comes back and says a contradicting statement. In my experience with the brass fittings and the d cups. The brass insert fudged up two Sata 3000’s, defects such as chip fluid passages and nicking the chrome. this in returned caused more flaking of the chrome. So if they changed the removal tool or the process then good for them. But my experience with the brass fitting is not a good one .Also the tool to remove the fitting is simple to use and can not be used wrong, except that your gun body or mine…..were fudged up. So……I Wouldn’t take the chance. I can post silly pics if I have too but I think the point is mute.

    #48342

    travis
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    We are using the pps system. Im still getting used to them. You have to make sure the lid is on correctly, if you dont snap it on straight the liner will slide down making a big mess when you flip it over. Ive found that you need to click the lid on then pick it up and inspect to insure its on correctly.Also dont tighten the top too much or over tighten the shaker they will leak. Push the liner up from the bottom a bit before installing the plug or you get another mess. I have yet to knock one off the gun but im sure its in my future. I have used the sata cups and the only problem I had was to remember to close the vent when removing from the gun. i find everything out the hard way. Haha

    #48343

    Scott
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    X2 on the SATA cups, what a mess I made, haha. I have only used a couple of the SATA cups that came with a gun I bought so I never really got a good feel for them and they aren’t reddily available to me so I can’t give an opinion.
    I have been using the old Norton liners my jobber had stocked up on but now they are all out and Norton doesn’t make them any more because 3M supposedly sued them because of there similar design. Don’t bother with the new Norton liners because they suck, they have a stupid rubber and a spring in them that disturbs paint flow and suction and causes the gun to spit.
    We’re now using the 3M PPS system, I think they are ok, they fit on the POS accuspray, (on my third gun) been using them now for about 6 months. Storage isn’t a concern for me being I don’t store paint , I only mix what I need and toss the liner in the trash, I only use them for base, I’m like you Jay I use metal pots for sealer and clear, only complaint I have they I don’t even know is valid is I suspect if I leave paint in the liner while attached to the gun when I’m drying it with the blowers I think paint bits may soak through the liner screen (yes I’m using the 125 micron) But I’m not sure.
    Gun washer is a good idea, probably the best move I’ve made when it come to house cleaning in the booth, it’s so easy compared to manually cleaning the guns and does save on time and gun wash big time, I bought the UNI Ram UG 5000W solvent and waterborne double unit. Hope this helps

    #48346

    zach
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    I too love the sata cups, the only one out there with a true vent. I feel all other ‘s are too restrictive and can affect color match. I still use a aluminum cup for clear though.

    #48347

    Jayson Munro
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    Thank you for all the replies,very good feedback.When you work in a big production shop using 3 different guns per job(sealer base clear) doing even 5 jobs a day I clean guns +cans 15 times a day.I’m getting a little tired of it :deadhorse We have the sata cups already so we might just get the 190 micron filters and keep everything the same.But the 3m system is a bit cheaper so maybe we will go that route for sealer and clear.

    Thanks for the feedback Bad,the gunner cups looked interesting but not if you run the chance of fukin up your gun.I also heard sata told devilbiss to cease making them as they are a rip off of the sata cups.Anyway we will see what happens.

    #48348

    W
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    Why are you guys using the metal cups for sealer and clear?
    Feeling the screen in the pps cups are too restrictive?

    #48349

    Jayson Munro
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    [quote=”hating-painting” post=36805]Why are you guys using the metal cups for sealer and clear?
    Feeling the screen in the pps cups are too restrictive?[/quote]
    The other painter seems to think that we will save money that way 😛 But if you add up the labor per cleaning session and the solvent I’m sure its cheaper in the long run.

    I have also heard the liner systems can restrict flow somewhat and when you are close to being empty the vacuum will suck crap through the filter.Any truth to this???

    #48350

    ryan brown
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    Stick with the RPS cups. They do not restrict flow and you get a clean cup for every use.

    You can use the 125 micron strainers for sealer, base and clear. You only need the 190 for primer. I always use 190 micron for all BTLV also.

    #48365

    Scott
    Participant

    [quote=”hating-painting” post=36805]Why are you guys using the metal cups for sealer and clear?
    Feeling the screen in the pps cups are too restrictive?[/quote]

    For my situation it’s cheaper, comes down to cost.

    #48366

    Scott
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    [quote=”Jayson M” post=36806][quote=”hating-painting” post=36805]Why are you guys using the metal cups for sealer and clear?
    Feeling the screen in the pps cups are too restrictive?[/quote]
    The other painter seems to think that we will save money that way 😛 But if you add up the labor per cleaning session and the solvent I’m sure its cheaper in the long run.

    I have also heard the liner systems can restrict flow somewhat and when you are close to being empty the vacuum will suck crap through the filter.Any truth to this???[/quote]

    This theory certainly sounds legit to me

    #48367

    Scott
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    [quote=”ryan999″ post=36807]Stick with the RPS cups. They do not restrict flow and you get a clean cup for every use.

    You can use the 125 micron strainers for sealer, base and clear. You only need the 190 for primer. I always use 190 micron for all BTLV also.[/quote

    Really depends what paint system and strainers one is using, The PPG waterborne recommends 125 strainers with solvent glue on the screen, and the 190’s are for solvent that has waterborne glue on them.

    #48368

    Scott
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    [quote=”ryan999″ post=36807]Stick with the RPS cups. They do not restrict flow and you get a clean cup for every use.

    You can use the 125 micron strainers for sealer, base and clear. You only need the 190 for primer. I always use 190 micron for all BTLV also.[/quote]

    Really depends what paint system and strainers one is using, The PPG waterborne recommends 125 strainers with solvent glue on the screen, and the 190’s are for solvent that has waterborne glue on them, maybe Akzo isn’t like this , I’m just clarifying so no one gets confused.

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