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PPG Envirobase 3 years 11 months ago #14220

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Hey everyone, I was just informed at work the other day that we are going to be switching to Envirobase at the end of next month. Who out there is using Envirobase and what has been you experience with it. Im wanting to get a head start on this so when were ready I'll already have some knowledge on it.
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Re:PPG Envirobase 3 years 11 months ago #14221

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Not using it myself, but was given the tour by a friend who is. Covers good, lays down great and color match is excellent. He was on a "convert with confidence " program and they came in to make sure they had all of the right equipment and sent everyone to school as well. When they got back the shop was equipped.

Good luck

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Re:PPG Envirobase 3 years 11 months ago #14222

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We use Envirobase.

As Brad said, it has good coverage, sprays well and the colour match is good (much better than DuPont). If you have some experience painting and some knowledge of waterborne you will do fine. Everyone I know that uses waterborne wouldn't go back to solvent.

What are you using now Nitro?
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Re:PPG Envirobase 3 years 11 months ago #14223

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agree, it is good on all levels and far better than solvent base. however in my experince with it, how ever they tell you to sray it, do it that way, there isn't any short cuts yet.
also invest in a sun gun if you don't have one already. i also haven't had any luck with it covering prime well, so sealing everthing is just about a must.
yellow matchs are excellent, and solid reds cover in 2-3 coats. however red mets. are tricky.
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Re:PPG Envirobase 3 years 11 months ago #14225

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I've did a handfull of jobs using envirobase always using a sealer first and I found it had great color matches, easy to spray, overall nice product.
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Re:PPG Envirobase 3 years 11 months ago #14226

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Just out of curiosity, what system are you switching from? a solvent system or another waterborne?
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Re:PPG Envirobase 3 years 11 months ago #14298

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were using Sikkens Auto Base Plus right now. We had a demo last winter on Envirobase I liked it and thought it was easy to spray, but since it was a demo and we have four painters we each only got to paint a handful of cars. The sealer is a great piece of advice..... I like to seal anyways because I've found out that you have less issues with blocking scratches showing up that way. What has your experience been with the blender they have out? Can you take it to the end of the panel? Will it change the color of your blend panel? Does anyone use the One Visit Clear? EC 700 or something like that? Were starting to get bits and pieces on what we are going to have not sure what undercoat system we are going with yet.... probably deltron if I had to guess.
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Re:PPG Envirobase 3 years 11 months ago #14300

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I have tried the EC700 and I'm not a fan of it. To be honest I still like their 2021 clear.

If you are limited to low voc clears I am not real familiar with what PPG has to offer.

I use Sikkens Autowave and if you have any say so in it you might want to give it a look. Their Superior 250 clear is one of the nicest clears I have ever sprayed.
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Re:PPG Envirobase 3 years 11 months ago #14301

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You can't go wrong with PPG's 2021 or 2042 clears. Our shop owner looked into Autowave because he has been with Sikkens for over 20 years. The only downfall to going with Autowave is our local jobber for Sikkens is about to close the doors so he can retire and the nearest jobber is about 50 miles away and with the volume we do, if we run out of a toner, ect we need it right now so I think that had a major effect on his decision, and we wern't getting much support from our jobber anyways. Our jobber who is going to be supplying us with Envirobase is at our shop more than our paint supplier and all he was doing before the change was supplying us with sandpaper and shop supplies way more support which is a plus!!
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Re:PPG Envirobase 3 years 11 months ago #14303

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were useing 2021,2002,dc3000,dc4000 clears at my shop depending on the job. however i wouldn't use 2042, we stop using it because of clear darkening, as a matter of fact our ppg rep. told us to stop useing it.

i'm really starting to get the hang of the envirobase, i've found that the new sealer for the envior is alot better than the old stuff. but you will need to seal just about every thing. for some rason enviro takes a few more coats to cover over primer.

i also know that they will tell you to sand everything with 600-1000 grit, but i know you can paint over 400 p-grade grit, as long as you use a da. hand sanding, there is no way.

and if they give you those stupid blowers tell them no thanks. those things seem to put more trash into the paint, then help. i've found if your filters are clean and air flow is good, it will dry on it's own in 5 mins.. unless your owner is willing to put some coin up for corner fans.

one small tip. make sure it is dry before tacking it off, it will pull the fibers out of the blue tack rags they want you to use, and make the clear look trashy. also keep the guns clean as possible, when they say it will stick to anything, they are not lieing. my shoes look 2 yrs old, i got them 6 mounths ago, and my gun looks like it's 10 yrs. old.
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